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The new Disney magazine launching this week carries an article written by Mark Salisbury.

Through Tim Burton’s Looking Glass is an interview with Burton about the upcoming 3-D movie (which - as he describes it - eerily sounds like a Return to Oz angle to me), features some concept art and delves into the technologies Burton hopes to bring to life on the screen.

The magazine goes on sales at newsstands March 10 priced at $15.95.

If you can buy it and scan the article, PLEASE DO!!! I live half the world far from the places where it's sold


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I'll try and pick it up if I can find it. Is it just called Disney Magazine?

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I'll try and pick it up if I can find it. Is it just called Disney Magazine?


Disney Twenty-Three (D23).

Please, try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:


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OZ;;;;;His beautiful art, hides behind a big red curtain. He is a creator with a name, but lives in the land of "No Name" A girl from the land of Blue & "Yellow Gold", she would love to touch and hold Oz. But he hides among the shadows. Is he ready, to reveal his beautiful face! Snow Flake


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Lost With Oz wrote:
OZ;;;;;His beautiful art, hides behind a big red curtain. He is a creator with a name, but lives in the land of "No Name" A girl from the land of Blue & "Yellow Gold", she would love to touch and hold Oz. But he hides among the shadows. Is he ready, to reveal his beautiful face! Snow Flake


What is it? A quote from the article?


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I looked everywhere I could think of but I couldn't find the magazine everywhere. I'm gonna keep trying throughout the week though, because I really want to find it.

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An update on where you can purchase the magazine

Individual issues retail for $15.95 and are exclusively available at all U.S. Barnes & Noble booksellers, Disneyshopping.com, all domestic Disney Stores, Disneyland Resort and Walt Disney World Resort. Back issues will be available at Disneyshopping.com.


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I just got the magazine. It's beautiful and well worth the money. The article with Tim has a great picture of Mia as Alice looking down the rabbit hole. It also has a timeline of the films Tim did with Disney (there's Hansel and Gretal art!). The article was nice and short but very informative, if you haven't been following the film's process like we have it has a bunch of surprises. There's also a nice piece of concept art for the Mad Hatter's Tea Party that suggests a March Hare, Doormouse, and the Chesire cat joining the party. And if you look near the back of the mag it has an adorable pic of Tim and Helena outside the Haunted Mansion (holiday version).
There's also an article about Pixar and their new film UP! A nice article about The Little Mermaid Musical, and talking to animators. The back page also has some old comic strips of Daffy and Mickey.

It's a great magazine for Disney Fanatics!

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SunakoLoli wrote:
I just got the magazine.


Could you please do the scans for us of the pages about Tim? The article of Solisbury, Tim's interview and his concept-art of tea-party. :roll:


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I'll try but I don't wanna ruin the magazine. :o It's so purty!

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Aw, share the love, man.

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Yeah, share the Burtony goodness with us!

I tried finding the article on the official D23 website, but it only briefly described the article. What's weird is that they incorrectly credited him as the DIRECTOR of The Nightmare Before Christmas. WOW. It's bad enough people in general calling him the director, but Disney's own MAGAZINE? Dear God, what is with that? First, Disney wanted nothing to do with NBC because it was "too dark and scary for kids" so they give it to Touchstone...then it made an assload of money, so they quickly recanted and called it a "Disney" movie...and now they don't even know how to properly credit Tim Burton in regards to the film? AHHHH :evil: Anyway, here's the website where I found the description of the article.

http://d23.disney.go.com/inthisissue.html

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Yeah, share the Burtony goodness with us!

I tried finding the article on the official D23 website, but it only briefly described the article. What's weird is that they incorrectly credited him as the DIRECTOR of The Nightmare Before Christmas. WOW. It's bad enough people in general calling him the director, but Disney's own MAGAZINE? Dear God, what is with that? First, Disney wanted nothing to do with NBC because it was "too dark and scary for kids" so they give it to Touchstone...then it made an assload of money, so they quickly recanted and called it a "Disney" movie...and now they don't even know how to properly credit Tim Burton in regards to the film? AHHHH :evil: Anyway, here's the website where I found the description of the article.

http://d23.disney.go.com/inthisissue.html


That must have been the stupidity of the webmaster, cause the article clearly says that he's the producer. And I'm gonna try tonight/tomorrow to scan this thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Tim in Disney 23 Magazine on March 10
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Sounds really cool, I actually just heard about the new Disney mag on television today. I'll get wherever I can find it.


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Ok everybody, the moment you've been waiting for! (sounds trumpets!)
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Look at her dress! It has bunnies on it!
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Page 1 of the article!
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CONCEPT ART!!
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Tim's films with Disney (NOTE HOW HE DRAWS JAPANESE CHILDREN!)
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Page 2 of article (note: the top is bigger because when I first scanned the article part of the bottom got chopped off so I scanned the article in 2 parts and did a quick photoshop bandaid to it)
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Page 3 of article
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More concept art!
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Since the concept art was spread across 2 pages here's page one of the art for people who wanna look at the details.
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Page 2 of concept art
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Tim and Helena at The Haunted Mansion Holiday Event!
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I hope everyone likes these and can hopefully read the article. I apologize for my scanner, it was too small for the huge magazine, it also got cranky while being used so it decided to put weird lightsabers on the pics.

If the collective wants to use these for news, feel free to do so (can I give permission for that? I only scanned them, does that give me the right? If it doesn't then I'm sorry)


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^Thank you so much, SunakoLoli! I'll post these on the Tim Burton Collective New blog.

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SunakoLoli, thank you very much!!!!!!


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That photo of Alice looking down the rabbit hole just boosted my excitement to a whole new level. Thanks for the scans, SunakoLoli, that was really awesome of you!

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That time line is quote amusing.
Considering nothing Tim did went into the Black cauldron and they didn't bother listing Cabin boy.. lol
Also seems really strange seeing Ed wood Ina 'Disney' mag considering.

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Yeah, there was really no point of listing the Black Cauldron, would have been like listing the Fox and the Hound.

I love the pic of Alice, she looks amazing. One thing I noticed is that in the concept drawing, the march hare is life size, wearing human clothes, and is sitting in the chair. That contradicts the belief that the rabbit Depp was holding in the unconfirmed pic was the hare. There was also a report last year that said the chesire cat would be giant sized with sharp teeth, that also contradicts the concept photo with a regular sized chesire cat.

And seeing as this film is produced by Disney, a blonde Alice with blue dress seems to be at least a partial homage to the original Disney version.


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That time line is quote amusing.
Considering nothing Tim did went into the Black cauldron and they didn't bother listing Cabin boy.. lol
Also seems really strange seeing Ed wood Ina 'Disney' mag considering.


I was thinking that, that in the end Tim had more of his work in Fox and the Hound then Cauldron. However it may of been looking at purely Tim creative output. FAH he was purely just doing generic drawings as a inbetweener, whilst BC he had creative input and Disney were really trying to make use of and nurture Burtons talent and ideas. So considering that it is apropriate even though non of his ideas came to light.

I forgot Cabin Boy was Disney, may of been excluded for same reasons, maybe Burton had very little input in the film. It was more of a Chris Elliot project overall

Not sure what i think of the Alice at the moment, though i do like the artwork of the shrunken Alice in the room.

Also i think this topic would be more suitable in the Alice Forum, so off it goes!

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Love you, SunakoLoli!

That first scan with the photo of Alice looking down the rabbit hole looks so very lovely, it makes me even more curious for this movie.

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Thanks, Sunakololi!
I like concept art of Alice and curtain - very atmospheric and dynamic. And I love Cheshire Cat's look.


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You're welcome everybody.
As for the whole Fox and the Hound argument, they do mention it in the top white paragraph (I'm sorry I couldn't get it any bigger for you guys to read, again me and my scanner went into an epic battle while I was scanning this)

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looking at the artwork its not at all what i was expecting.. and thats a good thing!
Its in fact looking quite exciting.

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That photo of Alice looking down the rabbit hole just boosted my excitement to a whole new level. Thanks for the scans, SunakoLoli, that was really awesome of you!

Yeah me too! She's extremely beautiful in that picture. I wanna see it now! :(


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does anybody have a better scan or transcription of the timeline of Tim with Disney?
I can't read it, it's too small.

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Through Tim Burton’s Looking Glass
By Mark Salisbury
Disney twenty-three visits with the producer of The Nightmare Before Christmas and gets an exclusive look at his new Wonderland, arriving in theaters in 2010.

Originally published in 1865, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, written by Charles Dodgson under the nom de plume Lewis Carroll, was an immediate sensation and forever changed the course of children’s literature. For starters, it featured the first literary journey into a fantastical land. Perhaps more importantly, it was written from a child’s perspective, with Alice given the freedom to question the ways of the world, particularly the often ineffectual adult figures she encounters in Wonderland. Highly influential and hugely popular, it has never been out of print. And six years after first being published, it begat a sequel, Through The Looking Glass and What Alice Found There. Both volumes have since proven inspirational for stage, television, and film adaptations, most famously Disney’s much-loved 1951 animated feature, whose image of the blonde-haired Alice wearing a blue dress and a white pinafore remains an indelible one. Alice’s appeal arguably owes much to the work of illustrators such as John Tenniel, whose iconic, original line drawings first brought Carroll’s Wonderland and its menagerie of characters to life. The unique and the wonderful included the White Rabbit, the Mad Hatter, the March Hare, the Red and White Queens, the Jabberwocky, and a host of others.

“It’s so much a part of the culture,” director Tim Burton tells Disney twenty-three on a bright mid-January afternoon in his London office. He’s currently in post—production on his latest move, Alice in Wonderland, starring Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter, Helena Bonham Carter as the Red Queen, Anne Hathaway as the White Queen, British comedian Matt Lucas as rotund twins Tweedledee and Tweedledum, Crispin Glover as the Knave of Hearts, and newcomer Mia Wasikowska as Alice.

Tim is sitting in his cavernous study in a house that was designed and once owned by Arthur Rackham, a famous 19th-century English illustrator. Rackham’s haunting, fairy tale-like drawings for the Alice stories have been a source of inspiration for the director, who continues: “Whether or not you know the story, you know certain images or have certain ideas about it. It somehow taps into that subconscious thing. That’s why all those great stories stay around, because they tap into things people probably aren’t even aware of on a conscious level. That’s why there’ve been so many versions of it; it captures people’s minds. But as a movie, I’ve never seen a version I’ve really liked.”

But he confesses a fondness for the 1933 film version, a rarely see, black-and-white curio that features W.C. Fields, Cary Grant, and Gary Cooper (“that’s probably the best one because it’s the weirdest one”), as well as Dreamchild, Dennis Potter’s 1985 twisted take on the tale. That one stars Coral Browne as an elderly Alice Liddell (real-life inspiration for the fictional Alice), who is haunted by creatures from the book.

For Tim, director of Batman, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, who began his career as an animator at Disney in 1979, Carroll’s topsy-turvy world with its mix of fantasy and reality is perfect material. Working from a script by Linda Woolverton, whose credits include Disney’s The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, Tim’s Alice has more purpose and mettle than hitherto seen, 17 years old, a girl on the cusp of womanhood whose journey through Wonderland becomes a rite of passage as she discovers her voice and herself, eventually reconnecting with her late father.

“What I liked about this take on the story is that she is at an age where you’re kind of between a kid and an adult,” Tim says. “And like a lot of young people, they feel like they have very old souls, a certain kind of oldness in their soul that doesn’t make them so popular in their own culture and their own time. The idea is that Alice is somebody who doesn’t quite fit into Victorian society and structure. She’s more internal, which a lot of people are. A lot of kids are quite old in their souls for their age.” And that’s exactly what Tim found in 19-year-old Australian-born Mia Wasikowska, whom he cast as his Alice after an extensive search. “We met a lot of people, but she just had that certain kind of emotional roughness, standing her ground in a way that makes her kind of an older person but with a younger person’s mentality.”

While Linda Woolverton’s script incorporates narrative elements and characters both “human” and otherwise from Carroll’s books, Tim’s film is, in essence, a new story. “It’s not a literal retelling of those particular stories although there are elements of it,” the director reveals.

As one of contemporary cinema’s greatest visionaries, Tim has a take on Wonderland and its inhabitants that is extraordinary and inimitable. “The goal was to make it kind of classic but also make it look new, because there are many variations of illustrators – Rackham, Tenniel – and historically there are lots of images, all slightly different. I wanted to make these feel different and kind of give it a slightly more…not modern, but just give it its own feel, something classic, but so you were looking at new images as well.”

Certainly, his interpretation reflects the books’ nature, as well as the magical, fairy tale quality of Rackham’s illustrations. “The story and imagery does have edge to it,” Tim notes. “Whatever you do with the Mad Hatter, he’s a slightly disturbed character, as all of them are. The weird cat smiling down at you. The Red Queen…

“Everybody’s got an image of Wonderland, such as the Disney version which is bright and cartoony,” he continues. “I think in people’s minds, it’s always a very bright place. I don’t know if that’s accurate or not, but we thought given what this story is, if Alice had this adventure as a little girl and now she’s going back all these years later, it’s a bit overgrown, the topiaries aren’t as nicely cut as they once were. There’s a slightly haunted quality to Wonderland, even though it’s got strong elements of color.”

This vision is being brought to the screen using a unique combination of techniques, incorporating live actors, motion capture, fully animated CG characters, and CG environments. “The way it’s being done is a mutation of things,” says Tim, who filmed for two weeks on location in Cornwall, England, before moving to Los Angeles’ Culver City Studios where he shot his actors on soundstages completely surrounded by green screen. “It’s not like Beowulf. It’s not a motion-capture movie. “It’s kind of a mixture of some distorted live action and animation. I can’t relate it to anything because I’m not sure what to relate it to. It’s kind of new territory for me, so we’ll see.”

Everyone and everything in Tim Burton’s Wonderland, apart from Mia Wasikowska’s Alice, will be enhanced to varying degrees using some kind of effect or else totally created in the computer. “Because you have live-action characters and you have animated characters, I wanted to blur the line a little bit more,” Tim says. And it will be in 3D too, a fact Tim is extremely excited about and which, he says, was one of the selling points of the project. “It seemed like the right kind of story to do 3D without getting too gimmicky with it. It felt right, the mixture of medium and the material. I have no idea how it’s going to [turn out]. I have seen one 3D test, so far, one 3D shot.”

With more than a year until Alice in Wonderland is released in theaters, there is much work to do, many decisions yet to be made, with ideas and concepts continually changing and evolving. For now, Tim is readying a rough assemblage of the live-action footage so Sony Imageworks, which is handling all the effects, can begin layering in their work. “Now it kind of turns into an animated film,” he says, “so I’m editing, doing storyboards to stick in, trying to create an animatic kind of thing, doing some more pre-visualization. I’ll be turning over footage, so we can start to see stuff, see where we’re at.”

He looks at the concept art that’s lying on his desk and pinned to the walls of his office, aware that, much like Alice herself, he’s embarking on an exhilarating journey of his own.

From the premiere issue of Disney twenty-three, Spring 2009


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Tim's films with Disney (NOTE HOW HE DRAWS JAPANESE CHILDREN!

SynakoLoli, if you could, please, tell me, what was written there, I can't read the text because of the bad quality. :roll:


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I'll get to typing out the timeline as soon as I possibly can, but look where the pictures have ended up
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/new-pictures-of-burton-s-alice-in-wonderland-6363

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http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/03/d23_ ... ice_in.php

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Thanks for the scans SunakoLoli xD

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Thanks for the scans, much appreciated! :mrgreen:

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For anyone interested you can sign up for a D23 membership here for $74.99

http://disneyshopping.go.com/disney/store/Category_10002_10051_14479_-1_14479_____D23


OR you can get the magazine here online for $15.99

http://disneyshopping.go.com/disney/store/Product_10002_10051_1243434_-1_66493__D23-Collectibles-%26-Pins-D23-Disney-%27%27twenty-three%27%27-Magazine-Premier-Issue

I just bought a copy today at the Disney Store and Love it. The section on Burton's Alice is amazing !!!!!! I can't wait for the one to come with my membership I just signed up ( you can only sign up online) I will set that issue aside untouched !

I highly recommend joining ! Tim has a couple projects in the works sure to make future issues and Johnny Depp too

:D :D :D

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Huge thanks!! This makes me look forward for the film so much more.

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